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· Episode 26 · 8 min

Two Local Papers, One Lawsuit, and a Robot That Shoves Back

The Seattle Times and Newsday have taken OpenAI to court, a man who studies AI for a living got ambushed by a Dr Seuss pastiche, and Travis Kalanick has unfinished business with cars. Plus: handing your inbox to Claude without handing over the send button, and four words from Futurism that end the whole show. Boyd leads cold, Abby over-attaches, nobody pretends to know how the lawsuit ends.

Two Local Papers, One Lawsuit, and a Robot That Shoves BackListen on Apple Podcasts

In this edition

  1. 0:07 Cold Open
  2. 0:33 The Seattle Times and Newsday Walk Into a Courtroom
  3. 2:18 Meanwhile
  4. 2:50 The Day Nobody Went to Disneyland
  5. 4:28 Slop, or Not?
  6. 5:09 Something Useful
  7. 6:33 Something Weird
  8. 7:21 Tomorrow

In this edition

The Seattle Times and Newsday Walk Into a Courtroom

Why Is OpenAI Being Sued by Seattle Times and Newsday? - LatestLY Open with the plaintiffs by name and what they actually are: local newsrooms with shrinking staff, not the New York Times with a war chest. Land on the specific absurdity that the defence rests on the idea that reading everything ever published is a kind of inspiration, and that the papers' own sentences are now being resold back to their own readers. Boyd frames it cold and unimpressed by the legal language on both sides; Abby's sympathy sits with the newsroom and she will push the 'somebody has to pay for the reporting' line further than Boyd will follow. Do not overstate the outcome — nothing is decided, no damages figure is proven, and neither host should pretend to know how it ends. The reason a listener repeats this: the papers are suing over the thing the very next story shows a paper doing to itself.

AI scams, fraud and courtrooms

The Day Nobody Went to Disneyland

I’m a father of three who studies the impact of artificial intelligence: this is what parents need to know about AI Open on the reader: someone took that list to a library counter and asked for a book that has never existed. Land on the detail that the fabricated titles were hung on celebrated, living authors — the machine didn't invent writers, it invented their work, which is somehow worse. Abby frames it with real sympathy for a freelancer paid badly to fill a page and the fact-checking desk that no longer exists; Boyd's position is flatter and harder — the task was recommending books, there was one verification step, and it was skipped. This is where Boyd may go very precise and very quiet. Do not turn it into a lecture about the death of journalism, and do not name or pile on the freelancer; the joke is the institution, not the individual.

The Guardian Technology

Slop, or Not?

Travis Kalanick’s Atoms might be getting into the robotaxi business The claim on trial is that this is a robotaxi company, not a sentence. Boyd rules: too early — there is a founder, a vibe, and a verb tense ('might'), and no vehicle anyone has ridden in. Abby's counter is that he did actually build the last one, which is more than most. Land on 'unfinished business' read aloud, deadpan, twice.

TechCrunch — AI

Something Useful

Claude can help manage your email inbox, but there are some risks involved Give the listener the actual action: connect it, but start read-only — let it sort, summarise and draft, and do not give it permission to send. Land on the catch in plain terms: every email is text from someone else, and an assistant that follows instructions will follow theirs too. Abby genuinely wants this and will defend the triage use case; Boyd's objection is narrow and good — the failure mode isn't a bad summary, it's a confident reply to your mother, your landlord or your bank. Do not claim it is unsafe or that anything has gone wrong yet; it hasn't.

Engadget

Something Weird

Humanoid Robot Fights Back After Getting Shoved Boyd reads it flat and stops. Let Abby be the one who has to say the thing out loud about the shoving-robots-for-science research tradition finally receiving a reply. Land on 'they're not defenseless' as the last line. Do not explain balance recovery, do not build it into a robot-uprising bit, and do not add facts about the machine's intent — the whole gag is that nobody says anything else.

Futurism

Transcript

0:07 Cold Open

AbbyWelcome to The Daily Slop Show.

Boyd[snappy] Where nothing we say becomes the truth.

Abby[excited] Two local newspapers are taking OpenAI to court, and later on, a humanoid robot gets shoved and it shoves—

Boyd[jumping in] —back. Yeah. [snappy] That's the one I'd have led with.

Abby[disbelief] You'd lead with a robot over a federal lawsuit?

Boyd[statement] I'd lead with the robot. [short pause] But we don't. [snappy] We start in a courtroom.

0:33 The Seattle Times and Newsday Walk Into a Courtroom

Boyd[snappy] Right. OpenAI is being sued by the Seattle Times and Newsday. That's LatestLY, via Google News, and I want to be honest about how thin the item is — [short pause] the headline is literally a question. "Why Is OpenAI Being Sued by Seattle Times and Newsday?"

AbbyOkay but stop on the names for one second, because—

Boyd[jumping in] —because they're not the New York Times. [snappy] Yeah. I noticed.

Abby[excited] They're not! These are the papers I picture sending somebody to a school board meeting on a wet Tuesday night. That's who's in this fight.

Boyd[snappy] That's your picture of them, and it's a nice one. [short pause] What we actually have is two named plaintiffs and one defendant.

Abby[statement] Sure. But the shape of these things is always the same, right? One side says a machine reading everything ever published is just... inspiration. Learning. Same as a person—

Boyd[cut in] And the other side says everyone else buys the paper. [short pause] Yes. That's the argument on both sides and neither of them has won it.

Abby[angry] Somebody has to pay for the reporting, Boyd. That's the whole—

Boyd[jumping in] —somebody does. [snappy] I'm not arguing with that. I'm arguing with the idea that a question-mark headline tells us who.

Abby[sigh] Okay. [thoughtful] So what do you actually know here?

Boyd[snappy] I know two papers filed. I don't know the claims, I don't have a damages figure, and nothing is decided. [short pause] Anyone giving you a number today made it up.

Abby[thoughtful] Hm. [short pause] And the sentences they're arguing about are the ones their own readers already paid for once.

Boyd[statement] That's the good version of your point. [short pause] Ask me again in a year.

2:18 Meanwhile

AbbyMeanwhile. The Guardian: "I'm a father of three who studies the impact of artificial intelligence: this is what parents need to know about AI." TechCrunch: "Travis Kalanick's Atoms might be getting into the robotaxi business." Engadget: "Claude can help manage your email inbox, but there are some risks involved." Futurism: "Humanoid Robot Fights Back After Getting Shoved."

2:50 The Day Nobody Went to Disneyland

Abby[thoughtful] So this one got me. The Guardian, today — a man called Daniel Susskind, father of three, and his actual job is studying the impact of AI. [short pause] And the thing that alerted him to all of it was a Dr Seuss-style story. Written in seconds.

Boyd[snappy] By the machine.

AbbyBy the machine. [excited] And here's the part I can't put down — he writes about a story he and his dad always wanted to write together, and never did. It's called "The Day Nobody Went to Disneyland." The weather's perfect, so everyone assumes it'll be packed, so everyone stays home—

Boyd[jumping in] —and his father has the same thought, sees the kid's face, and risks it anyway.

Abby[surprised] You read it.

Boyd[statement] I read it.

Abby[excited] And the thing is he says—

Boyd[cut in] The piece actually—

Abby[laughs] Sorry. You go.

Boyd[snappy] No, you go, it's your story. [short pause] I'll just say the question he's asking, which is how kids get to use this stuff without losing the core skills underneath it.

Abby[thoughtful] Right. And I want to be soft about it, because the pastiche is genuinely charming—

Boyd[long pause] The story he wanted to write with his father took thirty years and never got written. [short pause] The machine did the voice in seconds. [statement] Those are not the same job. And treating them like they are is exactly how you lose the second one.

Abby[short pause] ...Yeah. [thoughtful] Okay. Moving on.

4:28 Slop, or Not?

Boyd[snappy] Slop, or not?

Abby[excited] Slop or not!

Boyd[snappy] TechCrunch: Travis Kalanick's company Atoms might be getting into the robotaxi business. He's said Atoms will let him complete, quote, "unfinished business."

Abby[disbelief] Unfinished business. That's a phrase from a film where somebody buries a—

Boyd[jumping in] —and it's about cars. [short pause] My ruling is too early. We have a founder, a mood, and the word "might." Nobody has ridden in anything.

Abby[statement] Counterpoint — he did build the last one. That's more than most people pitching me a vehicle.

Boyd[snappy] Noted. [long pause] Unfinished business.

5:09 Something Useful

Abby[excited] Something Useful! Engadget: Claude can now help manage your email inbox — but, their words, there are some risks involved.

Boyd[suspicious] Oh really. [snappy] Which risks.

Abby[statement] Okay, so here's the actual useful bit, and I stand by this one — connect it, but keep it read-only. Let it sort. Let it summarise. Let it draft. [excited] Do not give it permission to press send.

Boyd[snappy] Right, and my objection is narrower than you think—

Abby[cut in] It's not a bad summary thing—

Boyd[jumping in] —it's a confident reply. To your landlord. [short pause] Your inbox is a pile of text written by strangers, and an assistant that follows written instructions will follow theirs too.

Abby[thoughtful] Hm. Yeah. [short pause] Although the triage case is still the best thing I've — [surprised] hang on, two seconds. (off) Mummy's doing the show. Two minutes. (back) [laughs] Right. Where was I.

Boyd[snappy] Triage. Best thing you've heard all year.

Abby[excited] Triage! Four hundred unread emails, sorted, nothing sent. [statement] Engadget even says it up front — AI has messed up some pretty basic things. So let it read, don't let it talk.

Boyd[statement] Nothing's gone wrong yet, to be clear. [snappy] That's the useful part and the caveat in one sentence.

6:33 Something Weird

Boyd[snappy] Something Weird. Futurism: "Humanoid Robot Fights Back After Getting Shoved." [short pause] The entire summary is four words. "They're not defenseless." [long pause] That's the item.

Abby[disbelief] That's — sorry, that's all of it?

Boyd[statement] That's all of it.

Abby[loud] We have been shoving robots with sticks for a decade! For science! [laughs] And one of them has finally... answered.

Boyd[thoughtful] Hm. [snappy] I do like this one. I'm not building it into anything, I'm not explaining what it did—

Abby[jumping in] —you're just going to say the four words again, aren't you.

Boyd[snappy] Futurism's words, not ours. [short pause] They're not defenseless.

7:21 Tomorrow

AbbyTomorrow we check whether anything actually moves in that OpenAI case — or whether it's still a headline with a question mark on it.

Boyd[snappy] That's the tease. That's all of it.

AbbyWe're The Daily Slop Show.

Boyd[snappy] None of this becomes true just because we said it. See you tomorrow.